a couple of thingsagain
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Post by a couple of thingsagain on Sept 3, 2005 12:00:41 GMT -5
just out of interest to all you New Mission haters, when exactly was the last time any of you were there? I agree that Studio24 is a shite hole and needs a good bit of money spent on it, and should they win this battle to keep their licence, I believe they have plans to do so.
As for you'll probably agree that the reason the loss of the Venue won't be a 'major' blow to all concerned when it eventually goes is because for years now it has never been used properly! Not in a Rock sense anyway er, in the last couple of years theres been a lot more gigage (is that a word?) there, I've definately been in a few more times than I had for a while to see the likes of Jesse Malin, Degrassi and most recently the glamtastic Towers Of London, how the loss of a live venue is not a major blow to you, as a musician, I just can't understand.
Oh and the DJ not liking the stuff he plays thing, there was a thread on the Edinburgh Metal Scene forum recently which explained that it is their job to keep people dancing, not to play their favorite tunes, I would post the link which explains their point of view better than I just have, but site is down at the moment.
Finally, regarding the Legend that can only be refered to as Billy in the Sun, obviously people would have stayed away in droves had you not been there packing both Friday and Sat nights on the main floor I hadn't actually realised until now that was why I went, here I was in mistaken belief that it was because you could get a drink after the pub had shut and hear some good tunes, whoever was playing them, and to be honest I can't actually remember you being one of the people who did, there is probably a very good reason for that of course........
oops just remembered the Token metal thing, almost the entire Madisons selection every night was played at exactly the same time, especially the "silly session" stuff, the same songs week in week out....that doesn't happen at the Mission, and it didn't happen in the Newcastle Mayfair, which is what I had been used to before I ever went to Madisons.....
to actually finish (as I've been writing this for about 40 minutes!) hasn't been good to get a proper wee discusion going?
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Post by Milly FMR on Sept 5, 2005 4:13:44 GMT -5
OK I agree that a manager of a club will expect the DJ to 'keep folk dancing' but tha's ok if you're Sharon & Tracy dancing 'round your handbags! But at a 'Rock Club'....I don't think so. In fact it's one fo the biggest misconceptions ever! So if it''s not going to play your favourite toons...why bother going? It should do....you're the one who's paying! The reason why the loss of the Mission is not a 'major blow' is because it does not cater for ME! Of course I would rather keep a music venue than replace it with a block of flats etc but let's face it I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. And anyway, if you're so into your beloved Studio 24 why were you not on here earlier with your 'save the Edinburgh music scene' campaign? Or was it more a case of using my previous postings to pretend to everyone that your such a martyr to the cause. I can't believe that my comment about the Mission has triggered so much of your attention. What annoys me so much about the Mission is that it used to advertise on it's flyers that it played all kinds of Rock and used to include the names of the bands. CRAP! I was always fed up standing there for hours for about 2 songs. ...and you were supposed to be grateful! I do actually like more stuff than just the Kerrang channel. Why not be more truthful on the flyers instead of fleecing folk out of their hard earned cash? In fact I once saw a flyer in London that read something like ' we play classic rock, nothing more, nothing less so if you're into baggy pants and backwards baseball caps....f**k off!' That's more like it!
Milly FMR
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Post by Billy in the Sun on Sept 5, 2005 9:36:00 GMT -5
Milly if you´re a DJ at a decent sized club more or less aimed at a student age and just above clientele most of whom seem to want modern alternative Rock etc and the dancefloor is emptied by playing some dumbass metal,IMO, like Manowar,so as some old yins can make an arse of themselves one more time you´d maybe see my point. You seem to be mixing up the difference between a Rock Bar and a Rock Club,in a bar you can play anything´because people are just sitting chatting and listening, in a club like say the one i was at in London and the dancefloor holds a couple of hundred plus if you can´t fill it and keep it filled you´d not last long. Do you think they could play UFO for example at The New Mission? What do you think would happen? Would the kids fill the floor to dance to this long forgotten gem of a tune or stand about saying hey my Dad quite likes this band i think ... I hope they play My Chemical Romance next ... I´d be worried if i found myself worshipping a band that wears loin cloths onstage anyway .... ha ha. . The difference also in London is there are enough punters to have a reasonable club or more likely floor in a club which can be devoted to classic metal,if you go to these clubs they are more likely to be full of non Brits,there´s not enough of these people into that music in Edinburgh tho´is there? To end my current fave band are the 22-20´s ... so there!
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Post by Cheeky on Sept 5, 2005 10:15:11 GMT -5
Is that not the age group you like too?
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Post by Milly FMR on Sept 5, 2005 10:17:38 GMT -5
No Billy, you've missed the point! That's not what I am saying at all. I don't go to the Mission because I simply don't have to! And if I did I certainly wouldn't expect to hear Manowar! I'm not complaining about the Mission...for god's sake I only said it was crap! And yes Edinburgh is so small it hasn't really got much of a scene anyway. But that's the problem with most of these clubs....safe, same music every week to keep the dancefloor filled. In fact why pay a DJ, just tape it all and run it every week! Anyway at your age is it not a bit brain numbing to aim music at people 20 years your junior? You must just do it for the money Tonight appearing live.......Billy will be................Jimmy Saville Milly
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Post by guest on Sept 5, 2005 10:48:31 GMT -5
The mission was never meant to be another Rockin' Horse.For the first few years there was quite a few old mission punters.But because most oldies cant go out every weekend,there wasn't enough people to cater for,so you have to play for whoever will come every weekend, to enable the club to afford to keep going. I agree the mission is crap,but if it had more support from people back then,maybe it wouldnt be in such a state now.We all know the type of club we want ,but only when we want it. That aint going to keep the bank manager happy! If you want a club get off your arses and support it!!
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Post by christopher spinal tap on Sept 5, 2005 11:37:11 GMT -5
Milly Anyway at your age is it not a bit brain numbing to aim music at people 20 years your junior? You must just do it for the money What an ageist remark, just 'cause the fella's getting on a bit, no need for that! What's wrong with being clued up on yer music, there is lots of good music still being made today! Some sad gits are just stuck in a timewarp methinks. The Mission roolz!
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Post by Madisons Rock Night Staff on Sept 5, 2005 12:55:10 GMT -5
The mission was never meant to be another Rockin' Horse.For the first few years there was quite a few old mission punters.But because most oldies cant go out every weekend,there wasn't enough people to cater for,so you have to play for whoever will come every weekend, to enable the club to afford to keep going. I agree the mission is crap,but if it had more support from people back then,maybe it wouldnt be in such a state now.We all know the type of club we want ,but only when we want it. That aint going to keep the bank manager happy! If you want a club get off your arses and support it!! and this brings this thread nicely back to Madisons...
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Post by Monkey Cool on Sept 5, 2005 17:25:52 GMT -5
Get off your arses and open your minds!! Theres so much descent music out there that isnt just rock and you lot are arguing about whats best Madison or the Misssion!! Please. I used to be stuck in a rut also but was able to widen my musical options and it changed my life. Dont get me wrong, still love the rock and if the mission played Manowar Id be there every week ( got a bit carried away there. Couldnae stand The Mission every week even when I only liked the rock) but theres some great clubs in Edinburgh - wait for the backlash - that play some brilliant music. Maybe youre all too old and set in your ways to change now but youve certainly missed out. As for The Venue, its demise will be a great loss fo both live gigs and clubs past and present. I respect everybody's right to their taste in music but this ' Oh I only like Rock ' harks back to school days.
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Post by couplethings etcetc on Sept 5, 2005 17:40:34 GMT -5
I didn't mention it as its the Madisons forum. How can I pretend to everone I'm a martyr when they don't know who I am? If I only went to clubs that played the music I listen to at home - I wouldn't have been to many clubs. Funny you should mention UFO Billy, I remember asking a DJ in old Mission for any UFO or MSG and they didn't have any, so what does that tell us? I don't actually know just thought I'd mention it also I've been asked twice today if I'm going to Madisons, I've not got a ticket so may just pay on the door, I take it you can do that still? ( I've still got last years ticket, I didn't go as I was ill, I couldn't just use that could I?
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Post by Madisons Rock Night Staff on Sept 6, 2005 3:41:21 GMT -5
also I've been asked twice today if I'm going to Madisons, I've not got a ticket so may just pay on the door, I take it you can do that still? ( I've still got last years ticket, I didn't go as I was ill, I couldn't just use that could I?There should be tickets available on the door, and sorry no, last year's ticket is not valid! The tickets on the door are available at £10 each.
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Post by Milly FMR on Sept 6, 2005 4:21:13 GMT -5
The mission was never meant to be another Rockin' Horse.For the first few years there was quite a few old mission punters.But because most oldies cant go out every weekend,there wasn't enough people to cater for,so you have to play for whoever will come every weekend, to enable the club to afford to keep going. I agree the mission is crap,but if it had more support from people back then,maybe it wouldnt be in such a state now.We all know the type of club we want ,but only when we want it. That aint going to keep the bank manager happy! If you want a club get off your arses and support it!! Hey! I couldn't have have said that better myself which brings me back to my original subject of saying that if a ROCK night was to be arranged it wouldn't do much good being linked to the new mission...certainly not on this message board! In order to 'entice' the older crowd to come out and play it need some hard work and good advertising just like the Maddies organisers have had to endure. It also need a quality club and sadly the 'Mish' isn't one of them Look at it this way Maddies bit the dust due to refurbishment of the venue but mostly due to change in musical climate..once the hangers on drift away it becomes difficult to maintain in Edinburgh due to it's size. As nu-metal finally chokes on it's dying breath then the Mission must also be going through some changes as it mostly thrived on this scene as naturally this was the most current at the time. There are kids out there aged about 15 wearing classic rock t-shirts now and if you venture into the 'Storm Store' on south bridge you'd see that most of their stock is in fact classic rock. It may only a matter of time before some of those ex-low slung jeans wearers start sporting Judas Priest t-shirts! Things change and you either change with it or stay faithful to what you liked in the first place .... the choice is entirely yours. Deal with it and get over it! Milly FMR
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Post by Milly FMR again on Sept 6, 2005 4:29:19 GMT -5
Dear Christopher spinal pap! I was having a laugh with Billy....so lighten up ya donkey! There are people out there aged 8-80 into football etc and they are into it for life. Much the same as many of us that are into METAL. I am not stuck in a rut as I listen to and buy tons of new stuff but I certainly won't jump into something just because it's current, I'm far too long in the tooth for that. Ageist? I don't think so! What is it you actually contribute to the Rock scene? I think you are on the wrong message board! Milly FMR
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Post by Milly FMR encore on Sept 6, 2005 4:41:08 GMT -5
Dear 'couple of things' And why is it you're not letting us know who you are baw jaws? Towers of London, Degrassi and Jesse (who?). Not exactly valid points for keeping open a venue or was it to try and impress? Between all the banter here you can tell the that the Mission has limited appeal...which was my point in the first place! What have I started here...it was only a passing comment! Anyway 'saviour of rock' why not bring along your save the mission form, or save the whale or any thing else that tickles your fancy on Saturday and we'll try and drum up some signatures, you'll only need a piece of paper the size of a postage stamp. See you soon! Milly FMR
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Post by Billy in the Sun on Sept 6, 2005 5:48:24 GMT -5
Ha Ha - baw jaws ? That´s a new one to me ... I don´t like when people hide behind names that means you can´t even guess who they are. They must be pretty old mind you if they were asking for UFO and MSG back in the day ... It´s funny some punters think as you´re a dj you´ll gave every fuckin´ track by every fuckin´band with ye ... To part answer baw jaws ... and yer self, If punters keep asking for a band you´ve not heard of I´d tell them to bring it in next week and I´d play it .. if it was popular I´d buy it for myself ... The Kids keep you up to date,I´ve always been pretty current with my tastes i suppose, as Milly says to some people it is their life and music is a huge part of mine.
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