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Post by Billy in the Sun on Sept 1, 2005 10:06:06 GMT -5
Billy, You do what you want to organise a rock night. Most of us will definitely be up for it, and by the way your posting doesn't appear to be 'tarnishing' Maddies...far from it! It'll be hard work orginising something like Maddies....hats off to the organisers for their great achievements. However all this talk of 'new' technology with CDR's & mp3's brings to mind some sort of futuristic Maddies with everyone dressed in silver catsuits (god forbid!), sipping on fluorescent vitamin drinks and purchasing shots of Botox at the bar....some are probably hoping this is on sale next Saturday. Anyway are you going to Maddies? Milly FMR It looks very unlikely I can make it Milly,I have a pretty busy Friday Rock Night here now and I have the very busy local market on next to my bar on sunday mornings, I was laughing at your futuristic view ... the botox sounds a good idea! I don´t think it would be all that hard to do a good job once a year,I´m guessing (perhaps wrongly) that tix aren´t selling quite so well this time around and perhaps the initial enthusiasm is waning as we have mostly all caught up after a long gap. A celebration of Maddies and the Victoria St Mission might be a laugh and certainly would be chock full of fantastic music if done right,I´d like somewhere like The Liquid Rooms either a Friday or Sat night,Keith has a lot of connections re venues,lights,p.a.´s etc - he´s the natural choice to pick up the baton and I´d like to say that I would be a major choice for DJing at least a good part of it for obvious reasons plus Keith is one of my best friends ... Anyway If Keith isn´t up for it then neither am I,it was just an initial reaction to the announcement of this being most likely the last Maddies reunion for quite some time,I could do a Maddies night DJ wise with my eyes shut,music as you yourself said splintered into a lot of different genres within Rock just after Maddies ended,the harder part I´d say was fusing both successfully. Anyway I´ve got to get back to my watching the various tanned babes walk by in their hot pants and bikini´s,it´s a tough job but someone has to do it!
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Post by Cowbero on Sept 1, 2005 16:49:10 GMT -5
There is always the Rockin for Tots fundraiser in the Exchange on the 10th December. 6 bands and a rock club till 3am. Just to keep you rockin' AND its just in time for getting you into the festive spirit!!! www.rockinfortots.co.ukall the proceeds go to the neo-natal unit at Simpsons.
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Post by a couple of things on Sept 1, 2005 18:18:07 GMT -5
In case we forget that namesake is still in it's crappy little existence at Calton Road but thankfully it's days are numbered as Studio 24 is closing down. God, you could set your watch against the token METAL they played in there! playing token Metal was nothing you could have ever accused Madisons of doing of course...and guess what the kids that go to the Mish now think the music that will be played at Maddies is pish too Also was the reason Madison ended when it did not down to it being closed down too and turned into offices? I don't think your "it's days are numbered" comment is very helpful for the future of live music and "alternative" clubs in Edinburgh, the Council and random fire incidents having robbed us of most of them over the last few years, eg. Cas Rock, Tap O'Lauriston, La Belle Angele, Stones the Venue is closing very shortly, therefore whatever you think of one of the clubs thats held in the place, if you haven't signed the petition on www.savestudio24.com/ to save it, you should do so now, you never know if they succeed in closing this one down whats next? Maybe in a few years time if someone wants to do another Maddies reunion there wont be anywhere left to have one.
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Post by keith on Sept 2, 2005 5:56:25 GMT -5
for the record, the mission is shite - but - studio 24 isn't closing down. There's a licencing issue and an on going battle bbetween the flat builders and the studios. It will be resolved.
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Post by Milly FMR on Sept 2, 2005 6:39:50 GMT -5
Point taken but my gripe wasn't at Studio 24 but let's face it, it is an absolute toilet! You wipe your feet on the way out. Losing the Venue is a bit of a blow especially as most of us of a certain vintage have some great memories. I played my first gig there (although I might want to forget that ). So if you'd like to climb down of your high-horse for a wee minute you'll probably agree that the reason the loss of the Venue won't be a 'major' blow to all concerned when it eventually goes is because for years now it has never been used properly! Not in a Rock sense anyway. Most gigs have re-located to the Liquid Room. By token METAL I did not just mean crappy metal. Madisons can certainly be guilty of that to a certain degree as could any club. Most play the 'safe' stuff. Token METAL also means the same song at the same time every week! I mean.. isn't going to your work less predictable? My point was that the DJ there isn't even into that stuff or at least doesn't appear to be judging by his comments! Ah well, I suppose we have to earn a living some way or another And onto the subject of 'live music'..............I play in a band and we're always looking for gigs and also involved in organsing Rock Nights so you could say that Rock & Metal plays a huge part in my life. The Edinbugh Rock scene (if there is one) needs more support, especially from the 'older' crowd but it needs venues to be used properly e.g. good quality clubs, and of course that all crucial bit..............good advertising. Milly FMR
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Post by farrah on Sept 2, 2005 7:32:27 GMT -5
Worst (or should I say BEST) place that played token music was the Dreadnought. True story (I was there): A friend asked me in the Dreadnought what time it was. 9:30 said I. How do you know that, he said. They are playing Sweet Child Of Mine, I replied.
You really could tell what time it was by the track they were playing.
Not been to that place for years but I can still not understand why DJs pay the same stuff at the same time every week.
Anyway, another thing I don't understand about clubs. Why are DJs treated like rock gods? They only play music. You all can do that. God, some dance club DJs get paid in excess of £5000 a NIGHT! For playing records! What am I missing?
I'm definitely in the wrong job.
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Post by Billy in the Sun on Sept 2, 2005 7:47:39 GMT -5
I agree with Milly on quite a few points and one is something that perhaps many people don´t consider when a DJ plays the same safe stuff every week ... If a DJ has come to depend on the payment for his services to pay his mortgage or see it as a vital part of his income he will sooner rather than later become a right boring cunt of a DJ. I never depended on the payment and in fact used it for paying for a few meals out during the week or stuff like that.I´d like to think that certainly in The Mission you wouldn´t know what I´d play,you could perhaps guess a hardcore of must play bands but you couldn´t guess what track ... I used to get asked for more obscure old rock tracks and although i thought it may ruin the flow of the night I´d try to play it,when i DJ i try to make it flow,sometimes I´d play these tracks and they would almost certainly clear the packed dancefloor apart from a few die hard oldies getting in there three dance a night fix,The MIssion as I said was a mostly younger crowd and if we were to survive it had to cater for their rapidly splintering tastes into HIP HOP and Electro-Punk and at the time the fast emerging Nu-Metal scene. When the new version of The Mission emerged they only took Colin from the Goth Floor and as far as I´m concerned audaciously stole The Mission good name and after deciding they couldn´t afford me, used IMO far inferior DJ´s, naming no names,on the main rock floor,as i was leaving for London,after an initial reaction to it i just let it all go,I´d helped keep that club afloat for years,packing both Friday and Sat nights on the main floor even during short lived but intense competition from Donald Crow,unfortunately for Donald,good mate that he is,he stayed loyal to wee Tommy while being a pretty good DJ was one of the ones depending on the income,i return to my point above. I was even temporarily asked to do the Indie club downstairs,takings increased so much that they asked me to stay on,the manager at the time Tam said that he wished i could somehow do both floors. All good things come to an end,if there is a market a suitable club can and will be found. I have an inkling that the current Mission has a too many cooks stirring the broth situ and have come to depend on it´s income ... they found somewhere after they stole the last Mission so I´m sure they can find somewhere again.
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Post by Billy in the Sun on Sept 2, 2005 7:57:46 GMT -5
Worst (or should I say BEST) place that played token music was the Dreadnought. True story (I was there): A friend asked me in the Dreadnought what time it was. 9:30 said I. How do you know that, he said. They are playing Sweet Child Of Mine, I replied. You really could tell what time it was by the track they were playing. Not been to that place for years but I can still not understand why DJs pay the same stuff at the same time every week. Anyway, another thing I don't understand about clubs. Why are DJs treated like rock gods? They only play music. You all can do that. God, some dance club DJs get paid in excess of £5000 a NIGHT! For playing records! What am I missing? I'm definitely in the wrong job. You´ve not had 30 drunken idiots ask for that Enter Metallica song have you ... I don´t remember being treated like a Rock God for being a DJ,I´m sure it could perhaps make it easier to pull girls but i was always attached to the best looking girl anyway IMO. so didn´t take advantage of that I´d say i did it for the love of the music and because i was genuinly good at it as i proved when i made a return to it in one of London´s best alternative Rock Nights once again had the entire place jumping around like mad ... anway sorry if i appear to be blowing my own bugle,if anyone out there thinks they can do it then get out there and do it! Go for it!
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Post by Milly on Sept 2, 2005 8:19:49 GMT -5
Aye Farrah, but I've still got a soft spot for the Dreadnought Billy, We went throught the same thing with FMR when we first started out. Initially some members of the band thought that if no-one was flapping around on the dancefloor or duck-walking like Angus Young then "they weren't into us" so therefore we should compromise, cop-out and play predicatable pub rock to please everyone! What shite! Just because no-one is making a tit out themselves doesn't mean they're not into it and I'd like to think we've proved that point. Rock pubs/clubs/gigs are places of enjoyment (at least they should be!) and people show their appreciation in any way they want! I love to hear great rarely played tracks but don't necessarily want to do a John Travolta to them...I'd rather sup my pint sometimes! As I've always said...Rock/Metal fans know their stuff....don't insult them! p.s I don't think I'll be glued to my seat at Maddies though! Now you'll have to excuse me while I go and play that long lost undiscovered track.....'Smokin' in the Boys Room' Milly FMR
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Post by farrah on Sept 2, 2005 8:42:16 GMT -5
Billy, Surely if 30 people in a club ask for the same song, it is one that should be played. I've DJ'd very seldom but if that many people asked for a song I would play it.
Anyway playing less popular song lets the others have a drink or talk to their mates or eye up the talent or... well at least it gives them a break.
Best club i ever went to was the Heathery in Wishaw. I was glad when they payed a song I didn't like so I could finish my pint which i could leave on its own or with friends.
One thing I would never dream of doing anywhere in Edinburgh is leaving a pint unguarded. This isn't paranoia, there is no club I've been to in Edinburgh where I've felt it safe to leave a drink by itself to go up on the dancefloor.
Again this comes down to the atmosphere that appears to be inherent in a lot of these clubs.
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Post by shaz on Sept 2, 2005 8:46:11 GMT -5
Hey Billy, what do you reckon to a TJ's Rockers Rave Up Reunion in Stirling? A thought perhaps to be put into practice. Now that would be mental!!
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Post by Milly FMR on Sept 2, 2005 9:31:01 GMT -5
Billy, One thing I would never dream of doing anywhere in Edinburgh is leaving a pint unguarded. This isn't paranoia, there is no club I've been to in Edinburgh where I've felt it safe to leave a drink by itself to go up on the dancefloor. Stay on your own turf then ya slapper!
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Post by sandy pebble on Sept 2, 2005 11:07:19 GMT -5
We went throught the same thing with FMR when we first started out. Initially some members of the band thought that if no-one was flapping around on the dancefloor or duck-walking like Angus Young then "they weren't into us" so therefore we should compromise, cop-out and play predicatable pub rock to please everyone! Was it not a member of a bike club that thought that because there wasnt many folks up dancing they werent into you? I have to say that taking the majority of your audiences I would be mighty worried if they all started dancing considering a lot were minehoff etc. You know when you are playing the right stuff by the reactions at the end - especially stand up and shout! ;D
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Post by farrah on Sept 2, 2005 19:45:16 GMT -5
I know exactly where Milly is coming from. Playing in a band, there is so many egos that need to be massaged. It can be a difficult thing to juggle. Congrats to FMR for carrying it off.
As a fellow bass player I have had my share of dealing with egos within a band.
I say fellow bass player but, truth be told, I only had two lessons. Still I got a shitload of gigs out of it and it was good hanging around with musicians.
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Post by keith on Sept 3, 2005 4:29:49 GMT -5
somebody mentioned that the original "maddies" got turned in to offices - not so - various parts of the building did but not that hall. Its still there. Bit empty, but still there.
Sure it would be expensive to kit out tho. And bugger carrying tonnes of gear up all those stairs.
Bit of a wasted point I suppose but some of you might be interested, the rest of you, back to sleep.
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